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This topic is: What's the best strategy to determine a team's riding order?

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Name: Federico POGGIOLI
Email: fipogg@gmail.com
Date: Mon, Dec 15, 2008, 20:59:36
Message:
Having completed two 24 hour and one 12 hour races the key issue here lies on the individual lap time. For faster laps under the hour, the alternate method (First 1234, then 1243 and so on) looks better as it will increase significantly your rest time. I will also implement it starting at midnight because until that time everyone is still excited about the race and no one wants to go to bed. For longer laps I will stay with the traditional rotation 1234, 1234 as 3+ hours is enough for each racer to rest and get ready for the next lap.

Name: don h.
Email: dhetzler@insightbb.com
Date: Fri, Jun 15, 2007, 16:53:14
Message:
if you have a team of mixed ability riders, fastest first, slowest last. you'll just get more laps that way. haven't ever been on a team where times were at an hour, so we never vary from the 1234, unless someone punks out in the middle of the night.

our night laps slow down, and for instance, at big bear, i probably got about a 4 hour stretch, which is plenty, if you got some sleep the night before.

Name: Brian Olmsted
Email: bolmsted@cems.umn.edu
Date: Fri, Apr 15, 2005, 11:13:44
Message:
We've done an augmented order where each person has a time to get some extra rest and it has worked totally fab. We just pick our rider that might benefit from getting more sleep in the dismal part of the ride between 2am and 4am, (when you really need the rest). It goes a little like this: 1-2-3-4,1-2-3-4,1-2-4-3,2-1-3-4,1-2-3-4,1-2-3-4,1-3-2. You may have to put it on a spreadsheet to see the pattern but each person gets one rotation that is short (which you don't really notice), and one that is longer (which you really do notice). All you have to do is very carefully augment the order in the middle of the race. Anyway it works very well but it helps to have it written out on a whiteboard so you can mark off your lap and queue the next two riders. ...sorry, we are all engineers and hence somewhat geeky.

brian

Name: Erik
Email: etrogden@hotmail.com
Date: Thu, Feb 24, 2005, 00:08:06
Message:
At Temecula 2004 we tried the 1-2-1-2, 3-4-3-4 at night. Every rider's slowest lap was their second lap in this cycle. The extra sleep earned us nothing as it was just more time for muscles and stomachs to revolt. We'll stick to 1-2-3-4 from now on.

Name: cabo
Email: chatche1@aol.com
Date: Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 22:03:19
Message:
i tell you what, its freaking 24 hours. let whoever wants to ride 1st ride. if you can not ride fast over 24 hrs then the order will not matter. just ride. you people worry to much.

Name: Mort
Email: Tigerlotus68@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, Oct 20, 2003, 16:51:05
Message:
In response to Herb, if the course is fast, and everyone is turning in 60 minute lap times, then during the night time hours when you would like to rest, switching up the order can get you more than 2-3 hours sleep.

for 2 years i did the order you suggested => 1,2,3,4 - 1,2,3,4 and then when night arrived we did one round each of 1,2,3,4 - 1,2,1,2 - 3,4,3,4 and then back to 1,2,3,4 again. this bought us 4-5 hours to get some sleep.

however, if the lap times are much slower (i.e. over 90 minutes), i'm not sure this order will offer any advantages.

Name: Herb
Email: hhseitz@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, Oct 06, 2003, 10:44:44
Message:
is there any benefit to not ride in the traditional 1,2,3,4-1,2,3,4 order? For example, 1,2,3,4-1,2,3,4,3,4

Name: Jon Nordby
Email: jnordby@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, Oct 11, 2002, 15:38:02
Message:
If you are there to have fun (vs a real evenly matched fast competative team), run your people in order of ability as close as possible, at least the first 3 laps. Our fast guys did 1:13 and 1:15 on the first lap for their respective teams, then we wanted to be sure the first time racers'first laps were in the daylight, so they went second. Spent a lot of the lap trying to get out of the way of fast racer traffic hammering through, a real bummer for them and for the folks that had to pass them as well.
Dang, missing this year, Jon from
Pedal Power/Ride On Joseph and
Pedal Power/Flying Dogs

Name: Scott
Email: scott@issaz.com
Date: Tue, May 21, 2002, 11:56:24
Message:
Certainly the team should consider sending out the fastest runner first, if that runner is significantly faster than anyone else on the team. But I see no reason to hold your fastest rider past second position. You want him to get as many laps as possible. You don't want him next up at 12:10 p.m. on Sunday.
Assuming that there is no outstanding runner on the team and that the first lap congestion penalty is the same for everyone, I don't see why you would start anyone but your top rider first, unless you intend to change rider order later or unless another rider is better suited or prepared to deal with the first lap congestion.

Name: caleb
Email: dacatti998@hotmail.com
Date: Thu, Feb 28, 2002, 14:37:32
Message:
i think you should throw in youre best runner to get through the lemans start and the faster guys for 3and 4 they can use there speed and pass after the pack is fanned out

Name: Mike Bowles
Email: mike.bowles@acterna.com
Date: Tue, Jan 15, 2002, 08:55:56
Message:
Save your fast riders for laps 3 and 4. The field will be cleared out by then so they can roll.

Name: Tra Rothwell
Email: trothwell@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, Jan 04, 2002, 07:32:53
Message:
Pulling numbers out of a cup seems to work best

Name: Ethan
Email: johnsone@whiteman.edu
Date: Wed, Sep 26, 2001, 21:34:45
Message:
IF you are a fast rider and slow runner it sucks to get
caught in the middle, especially in the dust of Moab.
Then what sucks even more is playing catchup through
the masses of people. If you are a fast runner and rider
go first but other than that have slowest runner/rider go
first so they stay about where they end up after the run.

Name: Jimbo
Email: tomsicj@musc.edu
Date: Thu, May 31, 2001, 14:39:06
Message:
For a recent 12 hour relay, the guy that was most keyed up went first (waiting any longer would've killed him), the only other guy to show up at the riders meeting dressed to ride went second, then it was rock/paper/scissors for three and four. Our strongest rider ended up going third, and it worked out well.

Name: nate
Email: singletrackmynd@webtv.net
Date: Thu, Apr 05, 2001, 23:32:50
Message:
for the first lap, do not use your fastest rider. i rode first last year and had problems with people who were faster in the lemond style start, (i was no slow poke) but had poor technical skills. it is hard to pass when hundeds of riders are scrambling down singletrack struggling with the slick roots and rocks. my advice is to run your slowest rider so that your fast guy or gal can actually use their speed after the pack has spread out. good luck and have fun!

Name: greg
Email: Not Available
Date: Tue, Feb 20, 2001, 22:42:03
Message:
the best runner goes first. The LeMans start is key to getting around a lot of traffic, and since the crowds are unavoidable, walking (running) through some technical sections that are otherwise rideable is a fact of life. So the person's running ability should be a priority

Name: Dave
Email: Dave@boaaaa.com
Date: Sat, Feb 17, 2001, 21:29:19
Message:
Well I tell you one thing, if you're racing in the Clydesdale class (and not many of you are--little people), don't put your best rider out for the first lap. In the 'Le Mans' start, sooner or later, no matter how many people he slaps and knocks down, all those skinny people are going to get by him and he's going to be getting on his bike stuck behind 300 or so slow anorexic riders. And it won't help that he can turn 1:30 laps.
Anyway, that's my view of it, and I'm sticking to it.
(OK, all you little people, don't be so sensitive, I'm just having a little fun--see you next year._
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